1. I want to start with yesterday’s news about the UC Davis Food service workers. What is your reaction to the news that the university is going to eventually allow them to become UC employees and also, do you intend to support Senator Leland Yee’s legislation that would make it considerably more difficult for future outsourced contracts by the state universities?
I haven’t read Leland’s bill yet, it will come to me. Bills like that are very much amended on the floor. The process is that they are introduced, then they go through the Senate and the Assembly. They are often amended, so I try not to take positions on bills before I’ve read them and before they come to me.
I am very pleased about the Sodexho agreement. I think that was a win-win situation. It is a positive outcome and I’m glad the Chancellor made that decision. He called me yesterday and told me about it in the morning. I was very pleased. It’s the UC Irvine model I believe.
I asked the Chancellor about [the 9-12 month delay in implementation]. Before I knew it was 9 to 12 months, I asked how long does this take? He said, in his discussions with Irvine, and with administrators there, with the committee that actually made the recommendation, they did all of the research and visited many campuses, they were warned that it takes longer to do than you might want or expect. So I think that’s why he was making the estimate of 9 to 12 months. I’m just pleased at the eventual outcome.
2. As everyone knows the Davis school district now has to make a horrible choice between closing schools and laying off teachers and support staff and cutting programs. While it may be worse in Davis in terms of budget cuts, it is a problem that is playing out statewide and many communities do not have the base of support that Davis has—how does the state do a better job of ensuring that a more consistent flow of money gets to the schools?
There have been over 20,000 pink slips issued throughout the state, and that’s because the law requires that school boards early on have to take the governor’s proposal in January, his budget proposal, and respond to that. The legislature has been pretty consistent about protecting K-12. This year is a terrible budget year. I have never voted to suspend 98, and I hope I will never have to suspend 98. I think our schools in Davis are terrific, both our boys went through the system and had very positive experiences. I know that many people move to Davis precisely for this wonderful system.
When it comes to the reform of the educational finance mechanism, I happen to think it would be a good idea to do that, and one of the reasons that we need to do it is that our demographics are changing—not only Davis’ but the state of California. Over 50 percent of the districts have declining enrollment. Part of Davis’ situation is directly related to the fact that we have declining enrollment. I would say that’s probably half of the four million. What that means is that for each and every student who does not show up in a seat, they lose money and they lose it fairly quickly. So you can’t reduce the overhead, I mean you are not going to immediately get rid of teachers, employees, buildings, etc. You instead have a deficit that you have to deal with—an educational deficit, a program deficit.
I would like to see some basic reform of the education finance system. The problem with that is that that’s not easy to do. It’s a big state, with a lot of different needs, and different interests. Suburban districts, urban districts, and rural districts all have different needs. I have introduced bills that have related to finance, home to schools transportation, declining enrollment, and because there is no money available, it is very difficult to make any kind of structural change in the way schools are financed. But more and more people are talking about it, because more and more districts are suffering from this structural change in the demographics of California. It will start to effect higher education in a few years.
I’ve spent most of my political life trying to get more schools, trying to get communities to pass bonds, trying to reduce the two-thirds requirement to 55 percent, to make it easier for school districts to build. We’re now moving into a very different era. It’s an era of demographic change. There will be fewer students eventually at the University of California, fewer students at CSU, and we’re starting to see the beginning of that in Davis. And it’s not only Davis, it’s communities like Vacaville, communities like Benicia, it’s throughout the district—my district, you will see, flat or declining enrollment. There are very few schools where there’s an increase. Elk Grove which has been the poster child for growth in so many areas is having the opposite effect. It’s a daunting challenge but it’s one that we have to confront.
3. Delta Protection has become your hallmark issue, those of us who went to Congressman Thompson’s fundraiser last weekend, learned a lot about efforts underway to protect the delta—how did you get involved in this issue, what are you looking for the state to do on this effort, and finally what can we as citizens do?
District 8 represents the northern part of the Delta. I have been very much involved in water issues and environmental issues from the time that I entered the Davis City Council. As chair of Water, Parks, and Wildlife, I know that the Delta is the heart and soul of the California water system. It is the core and it is in terrible crisis. That has not only a major environmental impact, but a potentially disastrous economic impact of the entire state.
We’ve asked the Delta to do many things and many of them are incompatible with each other. We want it to supply an unending or increasing supply of water to Southern California and to the Bay Area. We want it to be an extraordinary estuary to breed and facilitate fisheries. We want it to be the repository of agricultural and urban runoff. We want it to, I don’t, but it has become an area of increasing urbanization. We’ve asked it to do far too many things and it is dying, it is absolutely dying. Of course it is surrounded by levies that are basically 19th century piles of dirt, and they are failing. And it is seismically at risk. You can’t imagine an area that is of more significance and at risk.
What can we do? We can do a number of things. The people of the state of California voted for a bond in 2006 to repair the levies and to begin the process of improving the water quality in the Delta, and the fisheries, the habitat, and the agriculture. What we can do is to try to raise the profile of the delta. Most people know where the coast is and know why it’s important to protect it. Most people know about the Sierra Nevada, and they will protect it. They know about Yosemite and they will protect it. They know about their local parks and they want to protect those. But the Delta has very few people in it and very little political clout. So we need to be able to raise the profile of the Delta so that it takes its place as the key water and environmental issue for California.
Then we need to put in place structures that will protect it. It needs are steward. There is no steward—no body, no agency—whose sole purpose is to protect the delta. And if I’m elected to the Senate, that’s what I’ll spend many years trying to accomplish. It won’t be easy, but there has to be a body like the Coastal Commission that focuses exclusively on the Delta and has responsibility for all water decisions and all environmental decisions that affect it. That won’t be easy to do, but I am convinced that has to occur.
The average person needs to educate themselves and speak to their representatives. Here we are very blessed with a delegation that understands all of that—both in the surrounding Assembly Districts and the Senate Districts. And at the Congressional level—Mike Thompson and Doris Matsui have been strong supporters of the Delta—they know where it is, they know how important it is to our region. But we don’t have the same recognition other places. That’s very hard for citizens here to accomplish. We have to educate those in the Bay Area, further in the southern part of the Central Valley, in San Diego, in Los Angeles, to the importance of the Delta to them but to California as a whole. And we’re trying to do that. We’ve been working very carefully with members of my committee who represent those areas, in educating them about the Delta.
Hurricane Katrina had an effect in that area. After Katrina, people were suddenly aware that the Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta was in fact at greater risk than New Orleans. And look what happened to New Orleans, so that recognition has helped us with flood protection, it’s helped us with environmental legislation in the Delta; it’s helped us get resources to the Delta. Every cloud has a silver lining, Katrina really the knowledge of how fragile this area is. We have to continue that because we need resources from those who might want to put those resources elsewhere.
4. Transportation is always a major issue—this district really has two major thoroughfares cutting through it, in the northern part we are particularly concerned with the congestion along the I-80 corridor. This is no longer just an issue however about transportation it is also now an issue of the environment, oil supplies, global warming, etc. In your view, what should the state do to address transportation problems in the region?
The state has to take a very active role in addressing these problems. One of the first steps was this extraordinary $18 billion bond that was passed by California. We have worked very hard to assure our fair share of funding. We have roads that are bottlenecks. We have a port; why not use more sea transportation as opposed to truck transportation on the roads? We have achieved funding to dredge the port, to make certain that it can be used increasingly for transportation. We have to fund trains and transit. I’ve been a very strong supporter of all modes of transit and we need resources to do it.
We people seem to be very willing to put money into transportation, into transit. But this remains a very difficult problem because what’s happened is without jobs in the areas where people live, people will commute. That’s what you have between San Joaquin and the Bay Area. That’s what you have between Solano County and the Bay Area. You have people who want to live in these areas because they are pleasant to live in, and housing is a little cheaper, but that means that they have a commute. So we need every form of transportation to be at its best. And to do that we need resources.
—Doug Paul Davis reporting
How was the Sodexho mess a win for students, who will have to pay for the victory, through increases in tuition/student fees? Meanwhile administrators at UCD are raking in big bucks in the form of extremely high salaries (President of UC system will be making over $880,000 per year including perks) without a qualm. I certainly do not see it as anything close to a just result. In fact, it smells more like a Pyrrhic victory (one that cost far more than it was worth).
I fail to understand Lois Wolk’s point with respect to education. According to statistics, enrollment is not declining in Davis. Don Shor has pointed this out to us repeatedly. Seems as if the School Board repeats this untruth enough times, those in power and the public have started to believe it. Furthermore, Lois Wolk seems woefully out of touch if she thinks Davis needs more schools. Why would we need more schools if there is declining enrollment as she claims? Building too many schools is what got us into this mess in the first place, as almost everyone concedes. Lois also talks repeatedly of needing some sort of reform of the educational finance system, but never offers a model or idea of what she means. I am all ears on this one.
Lois Wolk sees the Delta as a huge issue, yet admits not many people live there. In other words, it sounds like the animals there are more important than the people she is serving in the overall region. Yikes! I will assume that flood protection is part of the mix, as well as a resource for surface water? If not, then all we are talking about is protecting endangered wildlife, which is fine to have as a priority, but not as a top priority, when there are so many other major crises looming on the horizon.
I also have a concern when politicians say that more money is needed to address a problem, e.g. transportation. Every problem could use more money, but there is only so much to go around. Not only that, but throwing money at a problem does not solve it, as we are seeing with our educational system. We threw too much money into facilities, and now we are having to close schools and fire teachers!
Lois asked voters to speak to their representatives, so that is what I am doing. I voted for Lois by the way, so am a big supporter. But I am not particularly crazy about the commentary from her in this blog. My hope is that she will stop and think about what I have said, go back to her advisors, and maybe refine her thinking on some of these issues. We need to be quite creative in coming up with good solutions – but first we must get the problem right, along with our priorities.
Best of luck in the elections, Lois! I wish you every success. Now let the games begin, because I am sure plenty of bloggers will either agree or disagree with my observations…
How was the Sodexho mess a win for students, who will have to pay for the victory, through increases in tuition/student fees? Meanwhile administrators at UCD are raking in big bucks in the form of extremely high salaries (President of UC system will be making over $880,000 per year including perks) without a qualm. I certainly do not see it as anything close to a just result. In fact, it smells more like a Pyrrhic victory (one that cost far more than it was worth).
I fail to understand Lois Wolk’s point with respect to education. According to statistics, enrollment is not declining in Davis. Don Shor has pointed this out to us repeatedly. Seems as if the School Board repeats this untruth enough times, those in power and the public have started to believe it. Furthermore, Lois Wolk seems woefully out of touch if she thinks Davis needs more schools. Why would we need more schools if there is declining enrollment as she claims? Building too many schools is what got us into this mess in the first place, as almost everyone concedes. Lois also talks repeatedly of needing some sort of reform of the educational finance system, but never offers a model or idea of what she means. I am all ears on this one.
Lois Wolk sees the Delta as a huge issue, yet admits not many people live there. In other words, it sounds like the animals there are more important than the people she is serving in the overall region. Yikes! I will assume that flood protection is part of the mix, as well as a resource for surface water? If not, then all we are talking about is protecting endangered wildlife, which is fine to have as a priority, but not as a top priority, when there are so many other major crises looming on the horizon.
I also have a concern when politicians say that more money is needed to address a problem, e.g. transportation. Every problem could use more money, but there is only so much to go around. Not only that, but throwing money at a problem does not solve it, as we are seeing with our educational system. We threw too much money into facilities, and now we are having to close schools and fire teachers!
Lois asked voters to speak to their representatives, so that is what I am doing. I voted for Lois by the way, so am a big supporter. But I am not particularly crazy about the commentary from her in this blog. My hope is that she will stop and think about what I have said, go back to her advisors, and maybe refine her thinking on some of these issues. We need to be quite creative in coming up with good solutions – but first we must get the problem right, along with our priorities.
Best of luck in the elections, Lois! I wish you every success. Now let the games begin, because I am sure plenty of bloggers will either agree or disagree with my observations…
How was the Sodexho mess a win for students, who will have to pay for the victory, through increases in tuition/student fees? Meanwhile administrators at UCD are raking in big bucks in the form of extremely high salaries (President of UC system will be making over $880,000 per year including perks) without a qualm. I certainly do not see it as anything close to a just result. In fact, it smells more like a Pyrrhic victory (one that cost far more than it was worth).
I fail to understand Lois Wolk’s point with respect to education. According to statistics, enrollment is not declining in Davis. Don Shor has pointed this out to us repeatedly. Seems as if the School Board repeats this untruth enough times, those in power and the public have started to believe it. Furthermore, Lois Wolk seems woefully out of touch if she thinks Davis needs more schools. Why would we need more schools if there is declining enrollment as she claims? Building too many schools is what got us into this mess in the first place, as almost everyone concedes. Lois also talks repeatedly of needing some sort of reform of the educational finance system, but never offers a model or idea of what she means. I am all ears on this one.
Lois Wolk sees the Delta as a huge issue, yet admits not many people live there. In other words, it sounds like the animals there are more important than the people she is serving in the overall region. Yikes! I will assume that flood protection is part of the mix, as well as a resource for surface water? If not, then all we are talking about is protecting endangered wildlife, which is fine to have as a priority, but not as a top priority, when there are so many other major crises looming on the horizon.
I also have a concern when politicians say that more money is needed to address a problem, e.g. transportation. Every problem could use more money, but there is only so much to go around. Not only that, but throwing money at a problem does not solve it, as we are seeing with our educational system. We threw too much money into facilities, and now we are having to close schools and fire teachers!
Lois asked voters to speak to their representatives, so that is what I am doing. I voted for Lois by the way, so am a big supporter. But I am not particularly crazy about the commentary from her in this blog. My hope is that she will stop and think about what I have said, go back to her advisors, and maybe refine her thinking on some of these issues. We need to be quite creative in coming up with good solutions – but first we must get the problem right, along with our priorities.
Best of luck in the elections, Lois! I wish you every success. Now let the games begin, because I am sure plenty of bloggers will either agree or disagree with my observations…
How was the Sodexho mess a win for students, who will have to pay for the victory, through increases in tuition/student fees? Meanwhile administrators at UCD are raking in big bucks in the form of extremely high salaries (President of UC system will be making over $880,000 per year including perks) without a qualm. I certainly do not see it as anything close to a just result. In fact, it smells more like a Pyrrhic victory (one that cost far more than it was worth).
I fail to understand Lois Wolk’s point with respect to education. According to statistics, enrollment is not declining in Davis. Don Shor has pointed this out to us repeatedly. Seems as if the School Board repeats this untruth enough times, those in power and the public have started to believe it. Furthermore, Lois Wolk seems woefully out of touch if she thinks Davis needs more schools. Why would we need more schools if there is declining enrollment as she claims? Building too many schools is what got us into this mess in the first place, as almost everyone concedes. Lois also talks repeatedly of needing some sort of reform of the educational finance system, but never offers a model or idea of what she means. I am all ears on this one.
Lois Wolk sees the Delta as a huge issue, yet admits not many people live there. In other words, it sounds like the animals there are more important than the people she is serving in the overall region. Yikes! I will assume that flood protection is part of the mix, as well as a resource for surface water? If not, then all we are talking about is protecting endangered wildlife, which is fine to have as a priority, but not as a top priority, when there are so many other major crises looming on the horizon.
I also have a concern when politicians say that more money is needed to address a problem, e.g. transportation. Every problem could use more money, but there is only so much to go around. Not only that, but throwing money at a problem does not solve it, as we are seeing with our educational system. We threw too much money into facilities, and now we are having to close schools and fire teachers!
Lois asked voters to speak to their representatives, so that is what I am doing. I voted for Lois by the way, so am a big supporter. But I am not particularly crazy about the commentary from her in this blog. My hope is that she will stop and think about what I have said, go back to her advisors, and maybe refine her thinking on some of these issues. We need to be quite creative in coming up with good solutions – but first we must get the problem right, along with our priorities.
Best of luck in the elections, Lois! I wish you every success. Now let the games begin, because I am sure plenty of bloggers will either agree or disagree with my observations…
As a Dem, I’m SOOOO TIRED of holding my nose and voting for uninspiring,status-quo candidates that are extruded from the back-rooms of the local Dem political-machine.. On the national level, CHANGE is in the air but,unfortunately, not here in Yolo yet. Well.. I guess I’ll have to hold my nose again on election day; I keep hoping that it will be the last time.
As a Dem, I’m SOOOO TIRED of holding my nose and voting for uninspiring,status-quo candidates that are extruded from the back-rooms of the local Dem political-machine.. On the national level, CHANGE is in the air but,unfortunately, not here in Yolo yet. Well.. I guess I’ll have to hold my nose again on election day; I keep hoping that it will be the last time.
As a Dem, I’m SOOOO TIRED of holding my nose and voting for uninspiring,status-quo candidates that are extruded from the back-rooms of the local Dem political-machine.. On the national level, CHANGE is in the air but,unfortunately, not here in Yolo yet. Well.. I guess I’ll have to hold my nose again on election day; I keep hoping that it will be the last time.
As a Dem, I’m SOOOO TIRED of holding my nose and voting for uninspiring,status-quo candidates that are extruded from the back-rooms of the local Dem political-machine.. On the national level, CHANGE is in the air but,unfortunately, not here in Yolo yet. Well.. I guess I’ll have to hold my nose again on election day; I keep hoping that it will be the last time.
I like Lois personally, but the interview responses are very uninspiring, and not especially informative. But people do increasingly begin to talk that way after serving numerous years in the legislature. (EX: in relation to her non-answer on the Yee bill, the public doesn’t care about how bills are amended as they move through the legislature, they just care whether you support the concept, and how you will try to achieve it)
Anyway, they often lose the capacity to distinguish between the way they talk to fellow legislators and staffers around the capital and how they should talk to the general public.
There was one question that you apparently forgot to ask: would Lois vote against the bill that would have reinstated the ability of undocumented people to obtain driver’s licenses? She voted against it back around 2003, and have not found anything that indicates what she would do if faced with the issue again.
–Richard Estes
I like Lois personally, but the interview responses are very uninspiring, and not especially informative. But people do increasingly begin to talk that way after serving numerous years in the legislature. (EX: in relation to her non-answer on the Yee bill, the public doesn’t care about how bills are amended as they move through the legislature, they just care whether you support the concept, and how you will try to achieve it)
Anyway, they often lose the capacity to distinguish between the way they talk to fellow legislators and staffers around the capital and how they should talk to the general public.
There was one question that you apparently forgot to ask: would Lois vote against the bill that would have reinstated the ability of undocumented people to obtain driver’s licenses? She voted against it back around 2003, and have not found anything that indicates what she would do if faced with the issue again.
–Richard Estes
I like Lois personally, but the interview responses are very uninspiring, and not especially informative. But people do increasingly begin to talk that way after serving numerous years in the legislature. (EX: in relation to her non-answer on the Yee bill, the public doesn’t care about how bills are amended as they move through the legislature, they just care whether you support the concept, and how you will try to achieve it)
Anyway, they often lose the capacity to distinguish between the way they talk to fellow legislators and staffers around the capital and how they should talk to the general public.
There was one question that you apparently forgot to ask: would Lois vote against the bill that would have reinstated the ability of undocumented people to obtain driver’s licenses? She voted against it back around 2003, and have not found anything that indicates what she would do if faced with the issue again.
–Richard Estes
I like Lois personally, but the interview responses are very uninspiring, and not especially informative. But people do increasingly begin to talk that way after serving numerous years in the legislature. (EX: in relation to her non-answer on the Yee bill, the public doesn’t care about how bills are amended as they move through the legislature, they just care whether you support the concept, and how you will try to achieve it)
Anyway, they often lose the capacity to distinguish between the way they talk to fellow legislators and staffers around the capital and how they should talk to the general public.
There was one question that you apparently forgot to ask: would Lois vote against the bill that would have reinstated the ability of undocumented people to obtain driver’s licenses? She voted against it back around 2003, and have not found anything that indicates what she would do if faced with the issue again.
–Richard Estes
This was just part one, although I did not ask her that question.
This was just part one, although I did not ask her that question.
This was just part one, although I did not ask her that question.
This was just part one, although I did not ask her that question.
Devil’s Advocate,
You are either incredibly “out of touch” yourself, or ignorant, or you are intentionally distorting Lois Wolk’s comments for pure entertainment, (I suspect the last).
Quickly:
1. Sodexo student employees were part of the movement to gain UC employment and they will now be UC student employees. They will benefit in many ways. The other students will also benefit and pay very little for having this conflict resolved.
2. Wolk never said Davis needs more schools now, although she fought for them in the past. In fact she said the opposite. She said changing demographics have changed priorities for Davis and many other districts.
3. The Delta. You really lost it on that one. The human and economic consequenses of a collapsing Delta environment, including fish and water quality, are huge. Wolk recognizes this as does almost everyone, except you.
4. Transporation and money. Yes, roads, trains, buses, and bike paths all cost money. Sorry, D.A., but you should let the devil (for whom you advocate, Greg Aghazarian?) know that most people agree with Wolk that we need to invest in improving how we move people around.
Finally, Lois Wolk has been one of the most effective legislators on a wide variety of difficult issues. As the supporter you claim to be, I would think you would spend more time getting familiar with her record and less time trying to twist this interview to achieve some other (Republican) purpose.
Devil’s Advocate,
You are either incredibly “out of touch” yourself, or ignorant, or you are intentionally distorting Lois Wolk’s comments for pure entertainment, (I suspect the last).
Quickly:
1. Sodexo student employees were part of the movement to gain UC employment and they will now be UC student employees. They will benefit in many ways. The other students will also benefit and pay very little for having this conflict resolved.
2. Wolk never said Davis needs more schools now, although she fought for them in the past. In fact she said the opposite. She said changing demographics have changed priorities for Davis and many other districts.
3. The Delta. You really lost it on that one. The human and economic consequenses of a collapsing Delta environment, including fish and water quality, are huge. Wolk recognizes this as does almost everyone, except you.
4. Transporation and money. Yes, roads, trains, buses, and bike paths all cost money. Sorry, D.A., but you should let the devil (for whom you advocate, Greg Aghazarian?) know that most people agree with Wolk that we need to invest in improving how we move people around.
Finally, Lois Wolk has been one of the most effective legislators on a wide variety of difficult issues. As the supporter you claim to be, I would think you would spend more time getting familiar with her record and less time trying to twist this interview to achieve some other (Republican) purpose.
Devil’s Advocate,
You are either incredibly “out of touch” yourself, or ignorant, or you are intentionally distorting Lois Wolk’s comments for pure entertainment, (I suspect the last).
Quickly:
1. Sodexo student employees were part of the movement to gain UC employment and they will now be UC student employees. They will benefit in many ways. The other students will also benefit and pay very little for having this conflict resolved.
2. Wolk never said Davis needs more schools now, although she fought for them in the past. In fact she said the opposite. She said changing demographics have changed priorities for Davis and many other districts.
3. The Delta. You really lost it on that one. The human and economic consequenses of a collapsing Delta environment, including fish and water quality, are huge. Wolk recognizes this as does almost everyone, except you.
4. Transporation and money. Yes, roads, trains, buses, and bike paths all cost money. Sorry, D.A., but you should let the devil (for whom you advocate, Greg Aghazarian?) know that most people agree with Wolk that we need to invest in improving how we move people around.
Finally, Lois Wolk has been one of the most effective legislators on a wide variety of difficult issues. As the supporter you claim to be, I would think you would spend more time getting familiar with her record and less time trying to twist this interview to achieve some other (Republican) purpose.
Devil’s Advocate,
You are either incredibly “out of touch” yourself, or ignorant, or you are intentionally distorting Lois Wolk’s comments for pure entertainment, (I suspect the last).
Quickly:
1. Sodexo student employees were part of the movement to gain UC employment and they will now be UC student employees. They will benefit in many ways. The other students will also benefit and pay very little for having this conflict resolved.
2. Wolk never said Davis needs more schools now, although she fought for them in the past. In fact she said the opposite. She said changing demographics have changed priorities for Davis and many other districts.
3. The Delta. You really lost it on that one. The human and economic consequenses of a collapsing Delta environment, including fish and water quality, are huge. Wolk recognizes this as does almost everyone, except you.
4. Transporation and money. Yes, roads, trains, buses, and bike paths all cost money. Sorry, D.A., but you should let the devil (for whom you advocate, Greg Aghazarian?) know that most people agree with Wolk that we need to invest in improving how we move people around.
Finally, Lois Wolk has been one of the most effective legislators on a wide variety of difficult issues. As the supporter you claim to be, I would think you would spend more time getting familiar with her record and less time trying to twist this interview to achieve some other (Republican) purpose.
“According to statistics, enrollment is not declining in Davis. Don Shor has pointed this out to us repeatedly. Seems as if the School Board repeats this untruth enough times, those in power and the public have started to believe it.”
Enrollment was not declining as of quite recently but now it is declining. Enrollment did decline in the current school year, 07-08 (the latest on CDE Ed-Data, which Don used, is the previous year) and data suggest it will continue to decline. Look at the Ed-Data numbers for the latest year available (06-07). There were about 720-752 high school students in DJUSD and around 570-620 in grades K-3. We are graduating more than are coming into the system.
“According to statistics, enrollment is not declining in Davis. Don Shor has pointed this out to us repeatedly. Seems as if the School Board repeats this untruth enough times, those in power and the public have started to believe it.”
Enrollment was not declining as of quite recently but now it is declining. Enrollment did decline in the current school year, 07-08 (the latest on CDE Ed-Data, which Don used, is the previous year) and data suggest it will continue to decline. Look at the Ed-Data numbers for the latest year available (06-07). There were about 720-752 high school students in DJUSD and around 570-620 in grades K-3. We are graduating more than are coming into the system.
“According to statistics, enrollment is not declining in Davis. Don Shor has pointed this out to us repeatedly. Seems as if the School Board repeats this untruth enough times, those in power and the public have started to believe it.”
Enrollment was not declining as of quite recently but now it is declining. Enrollment did decline in the current school year, 07-08 (the latest on CDE Ed-Data, which Don used, is the previous year) and data suggest it will continue to decline. Look at the Ed-Data numbers for the latest year available (06-07). There were about 720-752 high school students in DJUSD and around 570-620 in grades K-3. We are graduating more than are coming into the system.
“According to statistics, enrollment is not declining in Davis. Don Shor has pointed this out to us repeatedly. Seems as if the School Board repeats this untruth enough times, those in power and the public have started to believe it.”
Enrollment was not declining as of quite recently but now it is declining. Enrollment did decline in the current school year, 07-08 (the latest on CDE Ed-Data, which Don used, is the previous year) and data suggest it will continue to decline. Look at the Ed-Data numbers for the latest year available (06-07). There were about 720-752 high school students in DJUSD and around 570-620 in grades K-3. We are graduating more than are coming into the system.
This year’s total enrollment of 8484 (state DOE figures) is more than the total enrollment in 1999-2000. It is less than 1% less than the enrollment of 2005-6. It is less than 3% lower than the average enrollment of the last decade.
There is not a substantial decline in enrollment. Enrollment in DJUSD has been flat for ten years. In the first two years since the projection was made by the BUST force consultants, there were increases in enrollment.
There is a shift towards the higher grades. A surplus of facilities exists because new schools were built based on expected enrollment increases which did not happen.
The very small fluctuations in enrollment over the last decade — no more than 1 – 2% in any given year — do not account for the funding problems of the schools. The stability of the Davis housing market has led to flat, rather than increasing, enrollment. The problem has not been too few students, nor is that the problem now.
Continued efforts to link the Davis school funding problems to housing policies or enrollment patterns are not borne out by statistics.
It is possible that the enrollment will decline in future years. That has been predicted, as were substantial increases predicted in the late 1990’s. I would take any projections with more than a grain of salt. There accuracy of the district in projecting enrollment has been very limited.
This year’s total enrollment of 8484 (state DOE figures) is more than the total enrollment in 1999-2000. It is less than 1% less than the enrollment of 2005-6. It is less than 3% lower than the average enrollment of the last decade.
There is not a substantial decline in enrollment. Enrollment in DJUSD has been flat for ten years. In the first two years since the projection was made by the BUST force consultants, there were increases in enrollment.
There is a shift towards the higher grades. A surplus of facilities exists because new schools were built based on expected enrollment increases which did not happen.
The very small fluctuations in enrollment over the last decade — no more than 1 – 2% in any given year — do not account for the funding problems of the schools. The stability of the Davis housing market has led to flat, rather than increasing, enrollment. The problem has not been too few students, nor is that the problem now.
Continued efforts to link the Davis school funding problems to housing policies or enrollment patterns are not borne out by statistics.
It is possible that the enrollment will decline in future years. That has been predicted, as were substantial increases predicted in the late 1990’s. I would take any projections with more than a grain of salt. There accuracy of the district in projecting enrollment has been very limited.
This year’s total enrollment of 8484 (state DOE figures) is more than the total enrollment in 1999-2000. It is less than 1% less than the enrollment of 2005-6. It is less than 3% lower than the average enrollment of the last decade.
There is not a substantial decline in enrollment. Enrollment in DJUSD has been flat for ten years. In the first two years since the projection was made by the BUST force consultants, there were increases in enrollment.
There is a shift towards the higher grades. A surplus of facilities exists because new schools were built based on expected enrollment increases which did not happen.
The very small fluctuations in enrollment over the last decade — no more than 1 – 2% in any given year — do not account for the funding problems of the schools. The stability of the Davis housing market has led to flat, rather than increasing, enrollment. The problem has not been too few students, nor is that the problem now.
Continued efforts to link the Davis school funding problems to housing policies or enrollment patterns are not borne out by statistics.
It is possible that the enrollment will decline in future years. That has been predicted, as were substantial increases predicted in the late 1990’s. I would take any projections with more than a grain of salt. There accuracy of the district in projecting enrollment has been very limited.
This year’s total enrollment of 8484 (state DOE figures) is more than the total enrollment in 1999-2000. It is less than 1% less than the enrollment of 2005-6. It is less than 3% lower than the average enrollment of the last decade.
There is not a substantial decline in enrollment. Enrollment in DJUSD has been flat for ten years. In the first two years since the projection was made by the BUST force consultants, there were increases in enrollment.
There is a shift towards the higher grades. A surplus of facilities exists because new schools were built based on expected enrollment increases which did not happen.
The very small fluctuations in enrollment over the last decade — no more than 1 – 2% in any given year — do not account for the funding problems of the schools. The stability of the Davis housing market has led to flat, rather than increasing, enrollment. The problem has not been too few students, nor is that the problem now.
Continued efforts to link the Davis school funding problems to housing policies or enrollment patterns are not borne out by statistics.
It is possible that the enrollment will decline in future years. That has been predicted, as were substantial increases predicted in the late 1990’s. I would take any projections with more than a grain of salt. There accuracy of the district in projecting enrollment has been very limited.
Here are the total enrollment figures for the last ten years:
2007-8 8484
2006-7 8647
2005-6 8537
2004-5 8642
2003-4 8705
2002-3 8827
2001-2 8760
2000-1 8642
1999-00 8336
1998-9 7943
Here are the total enrollment figures for the last ten years:
2007-8 8484
2006-7 8647
2005-6 8537
2004-5 8642
2003-4 8705
2002-3 8827
2001-2 8760
2000-1 8642
1999-00 8336
1998-9 7943
Here are the total enrollment figures for the last ten years:
2007-8 8484
2006-7 8647
2005-6 8537
2004-5 8642
2003-4 8705
2002-3 8827
2001-2 8760
2000-1 8642
1999-00 8336
1998-9 7943
Here are the total enrollment figures for the last ten years:
2007-8 8484
2006-7 8647
2005-6 8537
2004-5 8642
2003-4 8705
2002-3 8827
2001-2 8760
2000-1 8642
1999-00 8336
1998-9 7943
“In the first two years since the projection was made by the BUST force consultants, there were increases in enrollment.”
I should have said, in the two years since the projection…there was a net increase in enrollment.
“In the first two years since the projection was made by the BUST force consultants, there were increases in enrollment.”
I should have said, in the two years since the projection…there was a net increase in enrollment.
“In the first two years since the projection was made by the BUST force consultants, there were increases in enrollment.”
I should have said, in the two years since the projection…there was a net increase in enrollment.
“In the first two years since the projection was made by the BUST force consultants, there were increases in enrollment.”
I should have said, in the two years since the projection…there was a net increase in enrollment.
Thanks, Don.
Thanks, Don.
Thanks, Don.
Thanks, Don.
“The very small fluctuations in enrollment over the last decade — no more than 1 – 2% in any given year — do not account for the funding problems of the schools.”
They certainly don’t account for the whole problem, but when you have a constantly increasing need for funding – those same teachers getting step increases, raises, and the increasing costs of health insurance – combined with a flat to slightly declining student population you are going to have a funding imbalance.
There are a lot of things figuring into this, including building unnecessary schools and the state cuts, but the student enrollment is part of it, particularly as projected for the upcoming few years where declines of a couple hundred students a year are expected.
“The very small fluctuations in enrollment over the last decade — no more than 1 – 2% in any given year — do not account for the funding problems of the schools.”
They certainly don’t account for the whole problem, but when you have a constantly increasing need for funding – those same teachers getting step increases, raises, and the increasing costs of health insurance – combined with a flat to slightly declining student population you are going to have a funding imbalance.
There are a lot of things figuring into this, including building unnecessary schools and the state cuts, but the student enrollment is part of it, particularly as projected for the upcoming few years where declines of a couple hundred students a year are expected.
“The very small fluctuations in enrollment over the last decade — no more than 1 – 2% in any given year — do not account for the funding problems of the schools.”
They certainly don’t account for the whole problem, but when you have a constantly increasing need for funding – those same teachers getting step increases, raises, and the increasing costs of health insurance – combined with a flat to slightly declining student population you are going to have a funding imbalance.
There are a lot of things figuring into this, including building unnecessary schools and the state cuts, but the student enrollment is part of it, particularly as projected for the upcoming few years where declines of a couple hundred students a year are expected.
“The very small fluctuations in enrollment over the last decade — no more than 1 – 2% in any given year — do not account for the funding problems of the schools.”
They certainly don’t account for the whole problem, but when you have a constantly increasing need for funding – those same teachers getting step increases, raises, and the increasing costs of health insurance – combined with a flat to slightly declining student population you are going to have a funding imbalance.
There are a lot of things figuring into this, including building unnecessary schools and the state cuts, but the student enrollment is part of it, particularly as projected for the upcoming few years where declines of a couple hundred students a year are expected.
Using Don’s numbers it’s clear there has been a steady decline since 02-3 with only one year of a blip increase, and now it’s headed down again. (Even a flat line is not good.) Most importantly, during those declining years, Murphy and his board did zilch to save/prepare/respond etc. They kept their head in the sand as the problem accumulated and this has indeed contributed largely to Davis’s current problem, which is more severe than many other districts who are faced with the same state budget.
DJUSD is responsible for at least half of its problem. The state (and the Republican Yacht Party) are responsible for the other half.
Using Don’s numbers it’s clear there has been a steady decline since 02-3 with only one year of a blip increase, and now it’s headed down again. (Even a flat line is not good.) Most importantly, during those declining years, Murphy and his board did zilch to save/prepare/respond etc. They kept their head in the sand as the problem accumulated and this has indeed contributed largely to Davis’s current problem, which is more severe than many other districts who are faced with the same state budget.
DJUSD is responsible for at least half of its problem. The state (and the Republican Yacht Party) are responsible for the other half.
Using Don’s numbers it’s clear there has been a steady decline since 02-3 with only one year of a blip increase, and now it’s headed down again. (Even a flat line is not good.) Most importantly, during those declining years, Murphy and his board did zilch to save/prepare/respond etc. They kept their head in the sand as the problem accumulated and this has indeed contributed largely to Davis’s current problem, which is more severe than many other districts who are faced with the same state budget.
DJUSD is responsible for at least half of its problem. The state (and the Republican Yacht Party) are responsible for the other half.
Using Don’s numbers it’s clear there has been a steady decline since 02-3 with only one year of a blip increase, and now it’s headed down again. (Even a flat line is not good.) Most importantly, during those declining years, Murphy and his board did zilch to save/prepare/respond etc. They kept their head in the sand as the problem accumulated and this has indeed contributed largely to Davis’s current problem, which is more severe than many other districts who are faced with the same state budget.
DJUSD is responsible for at least half of its problem. The state (and the Republican Yacht Party) are responsible for the other half.
“They certainly don’t account for the whole problem, but when you have a constantly increasing need for funding – those same teachers getting step increases, raises, and the increasing costs of health insurance – combined with a flat to slightly declining student population you are going to have a funding imbalance.”
In a normal year, there is a mechanism to deal with those kinds of increased expenses.
The real problems with declining or even stagnant enrollment have to do with facilities and difficulties in downsizing, economies of scale, etc.
“They certainly don’t account for the whole problem, but when you have a constantly increasing need for funding – those same teachers getting step increases, raises, and the increasing costs of health insurance – combined with a flat to slightly declining student population you are going to have a funding imbalance.”
In a normal year, there is a mechanism to deal with those kinds of increased expenses.
The real problems with declining or even stagnant enrollment have to do with facilities and difficulties in downsizing, economies of scale, etc.
“They certainly don’t account for the whole problem, but when you have a constantly increasing need for funding – those same teachers getting step increases, raises, and the increasing costs of health insurance – combined with a flat to slightly declining student population you are going to have a funding imbalance.”
In a normal year, there is a mechanism to deal with those kinds of increased expenses.
The real problems with declining or even stagnant enrollment have to do with facilities and difficulties in downsizing, economies of scale, etc.
“They certainly don’t account for the whole problem, but when you have a constantly increasing need for funding – those same teachers getting step increases, raises, and the increasing costs of health insurance – combined with a flat to slightly declining student population you are going to have a funding imbalance.”
In a normal year, there is a mechanism to deal with those kinds of increased expenses.
The real problems with declining or even stagnant enrollment have to do with facilities and difficulties in downsizing, economies of scale, etc.
Democratic education wonk said:
“Most importantly, during those declining years, Murphy and his board did zilch to save/prepare/respond etc. They kept their head in the sand as the problem accumulated and this has indeed contributed largely to Davis’s current problem, which is more severe than many other districts who are faced with the same state budget.”
Your facts are wrong.
During Murphy’s years, the budget was constantly squeezed and efficiencies were sought. That led the district to forego all but three layoffs in 2002-03 when other districts did massive layoffs because the district had done long-term planning (in spite of the contrary on this blog site).
Onetime funds enabled the district to plan more strategically for cuts during 2003-04. DTA and CSEA both agreed to that plan during 2002-03. (CSEA later reneged on that plan because, after 12-18 months, the district had to make cuts.)
Go look it up for yourself, Wonk. It’s in the board agendas. It was a wise investment of onetime monies and kept the district afloat and prevented the widespread panic you see now with the current board. The board then made cuts during 03-04.
By the way, Tahir Ahad was the one who helped guide the district and put in the long-term fiscal systems that kept the district running well during those tough budgetary times.
You are right about one thing–that the state has put the squeeze on everyone. But your revisionist history is inaccurate.
Democratic education wonk said:
“Most importantly, during those declining years, Murphy and his board did zilch to save/prepare/respond etc. They kept their head in the sand as the problem accumulated and this has indeed contributed largely to Davis’s current problem, which is more severe than many other districts who are faced with the same state budget.”
Your facts are wrong.
During Murphy’s years, the budget was constantly squeezed and efficiencies were sought. That led the district to forego all but three layoffs in 2002-03 when other districts did massive layoffs because the district had done long-term planning (in spite of the contrary on this blog site).
Onetime funds enabled the district to plan more strategically for cuts during 2003-04. DTA and CSEA both agreed to that plan during 2002-03. (CSEA later reneged on that plan because, after 12-18 months, the district had to make cuts.)
Go look it up for yourself, Wonk. It’s in the board agendas. It was a wise investment of onetime monies and kept the district afloat and prevented the widespread panic you see now with the current board. The board then made cuts during 03-04.
By the way, Tahir Ahad was the one who helped guide the district and put in the long-term fiscal systems that kept the district running well during those tough budgetary times.
You are right about one thing–that the state has put the squeeze on everyone. But your revisionist history is inaccurate.
Democratic education wonk said:
“Most importantly, during those declining years, Murphy and his board did zilch to save/prepare/respond etc. They kept their head in the sand as the problem accumulated and this has indeed contributed largely to Davis’s current problem, which is more severe than many other districts who are faced with the same state budget.”
Your facts are wrong.
During Murphy’s years, the budget was constantly squeezed and efficiencies were sought. That led the district to forego all but three layoffs in 2002-03 when other districts did massive layoffs because the district had done long-term planning (in spite of the contrary on this blog site).
Onetime funds enabled the district to plan more strategically for cuts during 2003-04. DTA and CSEA both agreed to that plan during 2002-03. (CSEA later reneged on that plan because, after 12-18 months, the district had to make cuts.)
Go look it up for yourself, Wonk. It’s in the board agendas. It was a wise investment of onetime monies and kept the district afloat and prevented the widespread panic you see now with the current board. The board then made cuts during 03-04.
By the way, Tahir Ahad was the one who helped guide the district and put in the long-term fiscal systems that kept the district running well during those tough budgetary times.
You are right about one thing–that the state has put the squeeze on everyone. But your revisionist history is inaccurate.
Democratic education wonk said:
“Most importantly, during those declining years, Murphy and his board did zilch to save/prepare/respond etc. They kept their head in the sand as the problem accumulated and this has indeed contributed largely to Davis’s current problem, which is more severe than many other districts who are faced with the same state budget.”
Your facts are wrong.
During Murphy’s years, the budget was constantly squeezed and efficiencies were sought. That led the district to forego all but three layoffs in 2002-03 when other districts did massive layoffs because the district had done long-term planning (in spite of the contrary on this blog site).
Onetime funds enabled the district to plan more strategically for cuts during 2003-04. DTA and CSEA both agreed to that plan during 2002-03. (CSEA later reneged on that plan because, after 12-18 months, the district had to make cuts.)
Go look it up for yourself, Wonk. It’s in the board agendas. It was a wise investment of onetime monies and kept the district afloat and prevented the widespread panic you see now with the current board. The board then made cuts during 03-04.
By the way, Tahir Ahad was the one who helped guide the district and put in the long-term fiscal systems that kept the district running well during those tough budgetary times.
You are right about one thing–that the state has put the squeeze on everyone. But your revisionist history is inaccurate.
According to the district’s own figures (in the Understanding School Finance link at the DJUSD web site) the loss of enrollment of 190 students accounts for $1 million of the funding gap. This is out of about $4 million that they are short, and out of a $58 million budget. Again, the district functioned in the past without that money. The budget in 2006-7 was $54 million (unfortunately, revenues in 2006-7 were $53 million…).
According to the district’s own figures (in the Understanding School Finance link at the DJUSD web site) the loss of enrollment of 190 students accounts for $1 million of the funding gap. This is out of about $4 million that they are short, and out of a $58 million budget. Again, the district functioned in the past without that money. The budget in 2006-7 was $54 million (unfortunately, revenues in 2006-7 were $53 million…).
According to the district’s own figures (in the Understanding School Finance link at the DJUSD web site) the loss of enrollment of 190 students accounts for $1 million of the funding gap. This is out of about $4 million that they are short, and out of a $58 million budget. Again, the district functioned in the past without that money. The budget in 2006-7 was $54 million (unfortunately, revenues in 2006-7 were $53 million…).
According to the district’s own figures (in the Understanding School Finance link at the DJUSD web site) the loss of enrollment of 190 students accounts for $1 million of the funding gap. This is out of about $4 million that they are short, and out of a $58 million budget. Again, the district functioned in the past without that money. The budget in 2006-7 was $54 million (unfortunately, revenues in 2006-7 were $53 million…).
So, once again, we’re looking at “declining” enrollment and the state’s budget as the reasons to cut. Not board action from three years ago. Not what Wonk says.
Kind of makes the whole investigative house of cards tumble, eh? Kind of like saying, “When I look at the school district, I don’t see a whole lot of waste.”
What exactly do you see and do you know, DPD? You’ve contradicted yourself on some of these latest pieces.
So, once again, we’re looking at “declining” enrollment and the state’s budget as the reasons to cut. Not board action from three years ago. Not what Wonk says.
Kind of makes the whole investigative house of cards tumble, eh? Kind of like saying, “When I look at the school district, I don’t see a whole lot of waste.”
What exactly do you see and do you know, DPD? You’ve contradicted yourself on some of these latest pieces.
So, once again, we’re looking at “declining” enrollment and the state’s budget as the reasons to cut. Not board action from three years ago. Not what Wonk says.
Kind of makes the whole investigative house of cards tumble, eh? Kind of like saying, “When I look at the school district, I don’t see a whole lot of waste.”
What exactly do you see and do you know, DPD? You’ve contradicted yourself on some of these latest pieces.
So, once again, we’re looking at “declining” enrollment and the state’s budget as the reasons to cut. Not board action from three years ago. Not what Wonk says.
Kind of makes the whole investigative house of cards tumble, eh? Kind of like saying, “When I look at the school district, I don’t see a whole lot of waste.”
What exactly do you see and do you know, DPD? You’ve contradicted yourself on some of these latest pieces.
It appears you are conflating dpd’s views with those of his interviewee.
It appears you are conflating dpd’s views with those of his interviewee.
It appears you are conflating dpd’s views with those of his interviewee.
It appears you are conflating dpd’s views with those of his interviewee.
1:47 PM is doing a grand job of union spin. Student employees will remain student employees. They will however, actually lost benefits not gain them. Their tuition reimbursement and other perks they enjoyed under Sodexho will be no more. You can look at this issue anyway you want but there will be fallout from it and the sooner you union types admit it the better off we’ll all be.
1:47 PM is doing a grand job of union spin. Student employees will remain student employees. They will however, actually lost benefits not gain them. Their tuition reimbursement and other perks they enjoyed under Sodexho will be no more. You can look at this issue anyway you want but there will be fallout from it and the sooner you union types admit it the better off we’ll all be.
1:47 PM is doing a grand job of union spin. Student employees will remain student employees. They will however, actually lost benefits not gain them. Their tuition reimbursement and other perks they enjoyed under Sodexho will be no more. You can look at this issue anyway you want but there will be fallout from it and the sooner you union types admit it the better off we’ll all be.
1:47 PM is doing a grand job of union spin. Student employees will remain student employees. They will however, actually lost benefits not gain them. Their tuition reimbursement and other perks they enjoyed under Sodexho will be no more. You can look at this issue anyway you want but there will be fallout from it and the sooner you union types admit it the better off we’ll all be.
Anonymous 8:05 says: “Not board action from three years ago.”
Well, now. The district site states:
“the District has been using one time money received from the state during times of economic prosperity to cover ongoing expenses.”
That seems to be a factor. Also, board decisions about when and how to build and open new schools were a factor. Those decisions go back to previous boards.
This district has built, populated, and enrolled new schools based on expected enrollment increases which did not occur. Those decisions have been made by a series of boards over several years.
It is, however, safe to say that the major funding crisis is coming from state cuts.
Lois Wolk’s statement that “[p]art of Davis’ situation is directly related to the fact that we have declining enrollment. I would say that’s probably half of the four million….” is incorrect. Nowhere near half of the four million is caused by declining enrollment.
But Lois would support a new school funding system, IMO. She has a history as a consensus-builder.
Something needs to be done to make it possible for districts to manage fluctuations in enrollment, perhaps something as simple as applying ADA funding on a multi-year rolling average. Or allowing districts more discretion to commingle funding sources during times when the state funding comes up short — it seems a little absurd to be building schools out of one funding source when you are unable to staff them out of operating expenses.
On Delta issues alone, Lois is worth electing. Plus, I believe she has the temperament and knowledge to ably represent the 5th district. I would like to see her take more of a lead on these education funding issues.
Anonymous 8:05 says: “Not board action from three years ago.”
Well, now. The district site states:
“the District has been using one time money received from the state during times of economic prosperity to cover ongoing expenses.”
That seems to be a factor. Also, board decisions about when and how to build and open new schools were a factor. Those decisions go back to previous boards.
This district has built, populated, and enrolled new schools based on expected enrollment increases which did not occur. Those decisions have been made by a series of boards over several years.
It is, however, safe to say that the major funding crisis is coming from state cuts.
Lois Wolk’s statement that “[p]art of Davis’ situation is directly related to the fact that we have declining enrollment. I would say that’s probably half of the four million….” is incorrect. Nowhere near half of the four million is caused by declining enrollment.
But Lois would support a new school funding system, IMO. She has a history as a consensus-builder.
Something needs to be done to make it possible for districts to manage fluctuations in enrollment, perhaps something as simple as applying ADA funding on a multi-year rolling average. Or allowing districts more discretion to commingle funding sources during times when the state funding comes up short — it seems a little absurd to be building schools out of one funding source when you are unable to staff them out of operating expenses.
On Delta issues alone, Lois is worth electing. Plus, I believe she has the temperament and knowledge to ably represent the 5th district. I would like to see her take more of a lead on these education funding issues.
Anonymous 8:05 says: “Not board action from three years ago.”
Well, now. The district site states:
“the District has been using one time money received from the state during times of economic prosperity to cover ongoing expenses.”
That seems to be a factor. Also, board decisions about when and how to build and open new schools were a factor. Those decisions go back to previous boards.
This district has built, populated, and enrolled new schools based on expected enrollment increases which did not occur. Those decisions have been made by a series of boards over several years.
It is, however, safe to say that the major funding crisis is coming from state cuts.
Lois Wolk’s statement that “[p]art of Davis’ situation is directly related to the fact that we have declining enrollment. I would say that’s probably half of the four million….” is incorrect. Nowhere near half of the four million is caused by declining enrollment.
But Lois would support a new school funding system, IMO. She has a history as a consensus-builder.
Something needs to be done to make it possible for districts to manage fluctuations in enrollment, perhaps something as simple as applying ADA funding on a multi-year rolling average. Or allowing districts more discretion to commingle funding sources during times when the state funding comes up short — it seems a little absurd to be building schools out of one funding source when you are unable to staff them out of operating expenses.
On Delta issues alone, Lois is worth electing. Plus, I believe she has the temperament and knowledge to ably represent the 5th district. I would like to see her take more of a lead on these education funding issues.
Anonymous 8:05 says: “Not board action from three years ago.”
Well, now. The district site states:
“the District has been using one time money received from the state during times of economic prosperity to cover ongoing expenses.”
That seems to be a factor. Also, board decisions about when and how to build and open new schools were a factor. Those decisions go back to previous boards.
This district has built, populated, and enrolled new schools based on expected enrollment increases which did not occur. Those decisions have been made by a series of boards over several years.
It is, however, safe to say that the major funding crisis is coming from state cuts.
Lois Wolk’s statement that “[p]art of Davis’ situation is directly related to the fact that we have declining enrollment. I would say that’s probably half of the four million….” is incorrect. Nowhere near half of the four million is caused by declining enrollment.
But Lois would support a new school funding system, IMO. She has a history as a consensus-builder.
Something needs to be done to make it possible for districts to manage fluctuations in enrollment, perhaps something as simple as applying ADA funding on a multi-year rolling average. Or allowing districts more discretion to commingle funding sources during times when the state funding comes up short — it seems a little absurd to be building schools out of one funding source when you are unable to staff them out of operating expenses.
On Delta issues alone, Lois is worth electing. Plus, I believe she has the temperament and knowledge to ably represent the 5th district. I would like to see her take more of a lead on these education funding issues.
“Using Don’s numbers it’s clear there has been a steady decline since 02-3 with only one year of a blip increase, and now it’s headed down again.”
” don shor said…
Here are the total enrollment figures for the last ten years:
2007-8 8484
2006-7 8647
2005-6 8537
2004-5 8642
2003-4 8705
2002-3 8827
2001-2 8760
2000-1 8642
1999-00 8336
1998-9 7943″
It is amazing to me how many people will not give up on the notion that enrollments are declining, despite the fact that statistics do not bear this out. Take a look:
06/07 -163
05/06 +110
04/05 -105
03/04 – 63
02/03 -122
01/02 + 67
00/01 +118
99/00 +306
98/99 +393
Over a ten year period, we have had a net gain of +541 students. Furthermore, a loss of 150 students in any one year represents only 1.7% of the total student population – something any school district should be able to handle as the normal expansion/contraction of the student population. It should not result in the closing of an entire school of 400 students like Valley Oak.
The school district itself is predicting a flat enrollment, not a decline. Why? Because enrollment has been essentially flat for the last ten years, and will probably continue to be flat for ten more. Repeatedly saying enrollment is declining doesn’t make it so!
And by the way, the School Board recently said they were going to slate Emerson for closure BECAUSE OF DECLINING ENROLLMENT – even though statistics show the junior high enrollment is on the INCREASE! Honestly, this whole argument of “declining enrollment” amounts to nothing more than spin from the current School Board to excuse itself for making bad decisions, and yet people still believe their garbage contrary to the FACTS!
“Using Don’s numbers it’s clear there has been a steady decline since 02-3 with only one year of a blip increase, and now it’s headed down again.”
” don shor said…
Here are the total enrollment figures for the last ten years:
2007-8 8484
2006-7 8647
2005-6 8537
2004-5 8642
2003-4 8705
2002-3 8827
2001-2 8760
2000-1 8642
1999-00 8336
1998-9 7943″
It is amazing to me how many people will not give up on the notion that enrollments are declining, despite the fact that statistics do not bear this out. Take a look:
06/07 -163
05/06 +110
04/05 -105
03/04 – 63
02/03 -122
01/02 + 67
00/01 +118
99/00 +306
98/99 +393
Over a ten year period, we have had a net gain of +541 students. Furthermore, a loss of 150 students in any one year represents only 1.7% of the total student population – something any school district should be able to handle as the normal expansion/contraction of the student population. It should not result in the closing of an entire school of 400 students like Valley Oak.
The school district itself is predicting a flat enrollment, not a decline. Why? Because enrollment has been essentially flat for the last ten years, and will probably continue to be flat for ten more. Repeatedly saying enrollment is declining doesn’t make it so!
And by the way, the School Board recently said they were going to slate Emerson for closure BECAUSE OF DECLINING ENROLLMENT – even though statistics show the junior high enrollment is on the INCREASE! Honestly, this whole argument of “declining enrollment” amounts to nothing more than spin from the current School Board to excuse itself for making bad decisions, and yet people still believe their garbage contrary to the FACTS!
“Using Don’s numbers it’s clear there has been a steady decline since 02-3 with only one year of a blip increase, and now it’s headed down again.”
” don shor said…
Here are the total enrollment figures for the last ten years:
2007-8 8484
2006-7 8647
2005-6 8537
2004-5 8642
2003-4 8705
2002-3 8827
2001-2 8760
2000-1 8642
1999-00 8336
1998-9 7943″
It is amazing to me how many people will not give up on the notion that enrollments are declining, despite the fact that statistics do not bear this out. Take a look:
06/07 -163
05/06 +110
04/05 -105
03/04 – 63
02/03 -122
01/02 + 67
00/01 +118
99/00 +306
98/99 +393
Over a ten year period, we have had a net gain of +541 students. Furthermore, a loss of 150 students in any one year represents only 1.7% of the total student population – something any school district should be able to handle as the normal expansion/contraction of the student population. It should not result in the closing of an entire school of 400 students like Valley Oak.
The school district itself is predicting a flat enrollment, not a decline. Why? Because enrollment has been essentially flat for the last ten years, and will probably continue to be flat for ten more. Repeatedly saying enrollment is declining doesn’t make it so!
And by the way, the School Board recently said they were going to slate Emerson for closure BECAUSE OF DECLINING ENROLLMENT – even though statistics show the junior high enrollment is on the INCREASE! Honestly, this whole argument of “declining enrollment” amounts to nothing more than spin from the current School Board to excuse itself for making bad decisions, and yet people still believe their garbage contrary to the FACTS!
“Using Don’s numbers it’s clear there has been a steady decline since 02-3 with only one year of a blip increase, and now it’s headed down again.”
” don shor said…
Here are the total enrollment figures for the last ten years:
2007-8 8484
2006-7 8647
2005-6 8537
2004-5 8642
2003-4 8705
2002-3 8827
2001-2 8760
2000-1 8642
1999-00 8336
1998-9 7943″
It is amazing to me how many people will not give up on the notion that enrollments are declining, despite the fact that statistics do not bear this out. Take a look:
06/07 -163
05/06 +110
04/05 -105
03/04 – 63
02/03 -122
01/02 + 67
00/01 +118
99/00 +306
98/99 +393
Over a ten year period, we have had a net gain of +541 students. Furthermore, a loss of 150 students in any one year represents only 1.7% of the total student population – something any school district should be able to handle as the normal expansion/contraction of the student population. It should not result in the closing of an entire school of 400 students like Valley Oak.
The school district itself is predicting a flat enrollment, not a decline. Why? Because enrollment has been essentially flat for the last ten years, and will probably continue to be flat for ten more. Repeatedly saying enrollment is declining doesn’t make it so!
And by the way, the School Board recently said they were going to slate Emerson for closure BECAUSE OF DECLINING ENROLLMENT – even though statistics show the junior high enrollment is on the INCREASE! Honestly, this whole argument of “declining enrollment” amounts to nothing more than spin from the current School Board to excuse itself for making bad decisions, and yet people still believe their garbage contrary to the FACTS!
“Onetime funds enabled the district to plan more strategically for cuts during 2003-04.”
Well guess what? We are now out of onetime funds to cover up the mistakes of the likes of Murphy and Ahad. The result? The mess the school district is in now, with almost 100 teachers slated for layoffs, along with librarians, support staff, a number of principals, and the very real possibility that not only will Valley Oak close, but Emerson Junior High. Onetime moneys are just that, they are only good for one go-round. Once you run out of onetime only funding…your goose is cooked!
“Onetime funds enabled the district to plan more strategically for cuts during 2003-04.”
Well guess what? We are now out of onetime funds to cover up the mistakes of the likes of Murphy and Ahad. The result? The mess the school district is in now, with almost 100 teachers slated for layoffs, along with librarians, support staff, a number of principals, and the very real possibility that not only will Valley Oak close, but Emerson Junior High. Onetime moneys are just that, they are only good for one go-round. Once you run out of onetime only funding…your goose is cooked!
“Onetime funds enabled the district to plan more strategically for cuts during 2003-04.”
Well guess what? We are now out of onetime funds to cover up the mistakes of the likes of Murphy and Ahad. The result? The mess the school district is in now, with almost 100 teachers slated for layoffs, along with librarians, support staff, a number of principals, and the very real possibility that not only will Valley Oak close, but Emerson Junior High. Onetime moneys are just that, they are only good for one go-round. Once you run out of onetime only funding…your goose is cooked!
“Onetime funds enabled the district to plan more strategically for cuts during 2003-04.”
Well guess what? We are now out of onetime funds to cover up the mistakes of the likes of Murphy and Ahad. The result? The mess the school district is in now, with almost 100 teachers slated for layoffs, along with librarians, support staff, a number of principals, and the very real possibility that not only will Valley Oak close, but Emerson Junior High. Onetime moneys are just that, they are only good for one go-round. Once you run out of onetime only funding…your goose is cooked!
“3. The Delta. You really lost it on that one. The human and economic consequenses of a collapsing Delta environment, including fish and water quality, are huge. Wolk recognizes this as does almost everyone, except you.”
Please explain why the delta is so-o-o-o-o important to all of us. Do we get drinking water from the delta? Exactly what area encompasses the delta? How many people live there? Even Lois Wolk admits not very many. Is it a matter of flood control? I need to understand why the huge concern for the “delta”. Maybe Lois Wolk needs to do a better job educating us in regard to why she spends the lion’s share of her time worrying about the delta…
Perhaps I am ignorant, perhaps skeptical, perhaps prescient, who knows?
“3. The Delta. You really lost it on that one. The human and economic consequenses of a collapsing Delta environment, including fish and water quality, are huge. Wolk recognizes this as does almost everyone, except you.”
Please explain why the delta is so-o-o-o-o important to all of us. Do we get drinking water from the delta? Exactly what area encompasses the delta? How many people live there? Even Lois Wolk admits not very many. Is it a matter of flood control? I need to understand why the huge concern for the “delta”. Maybe Lois Wolk needs to do a better job educating us in regard to why she spends the lion’s share of her time worrying about the delta…
Perhaps I am ignorant, perhaps skeptical, perhaps prescient, who knows?
“3. The Delta. You really lost it on that one. The human and economic consequenses of a collapsing Delta environment, including fish and water quality, are huge. Wolk recognizes this as does almost everyone, except you.”
Please explain why the delta is so-o-o-o-o important to all of us. Do we get drinking water from the delta? Exactly what area encompasses the delta? How many people live there? Even Lois Wolk admits not very many. Is it a matter of flood control? I need to understand why the huge concern for the “delta”. Maybe Lois Wolk needs to do a better job educating us in regard to why she spends the lion’s share of her time worrying about the delta…
Perhaps I am ignorant, perhaps skeptical, perhaps prescient, who knows?
“3. The Delta. You really lost it on that one. The human and economic consequenses of a collapsing Delta environment, including fish and water quality, are huge. Wolk recognizes this as does almost everyone, except you.”
Please explain why the delta is so-o-o-o-o important to all of us. Do we get drinking water from the delta? Exactly what area encompasses the delta? How many people live there? Even Lois Wolk admits not very many. Is it a matter of flood control? I need to understand why the huge concern for the “delta”. Maybe Lois Wolk needs to do a better job educating us in regard to why she spends the lion’s share of her time worrying about the delta…
Perhaps I am ignorant, perhaps skeptical, perhaps prescient, who knows?
“Wolk never said Davis needs more schools now,”
Lois Wolk: “I’ve spent most of my political life trying to get more schools,”
“Wolk never said Davis needs more schools now,”
Lois Wolk: “I’ve spent most of my political life trying to get more schools,”
“Wolk never said Davis needs more schools now,”
Lois Wolk: “I’ve spent most of my political life trying to get more schools,”
“Wolk never said Davis needs more schools now,”
Lois Wolk: “I’ve spent most of my political life trying to get more schools,”
“Please explain why the delta is so-o-o-o-o important to all of us.”
You go down there, general. Look around (you might notice all the varied forms water takes: rivers, sloughs, swamps, creeks), talk to people, visit the Walnut Grove library, do research.
“Please explain why the delta is so-o-o-o-o important to all of us.”
You go down there, general. Look around (you might notice all the varied forms water takes: rivers, sloughs, swamps, creeks), talk to people, visit the Walnut Grove library, do research.
“Please explain why the delta is so-o-o-o-o important to all of us.”
You go down there, general. Look around (you might notice all the varied forms water takes: rivers, sloughs, swamps, creeks), talk to people, visit the Walnut Grove library, do research.
“Please explain why the delta is so-o-o-o-o important to all of us.”
You go down there, general. Look around (you might notice all the varied forms water takes: rivers, sloughs, swamps, creeks), talk to people, visit the Walnut Grove library, do research.
Here is some information about the delta:
http://aquafornia.com/archives/588
Drinking and irrigation water for much of the state, fisheries, Bay water quality, transportation corridors, and recreation are all delta issues. The huge costs of maintenance of the levees, and preventing the potentially disastrous effects of major levee failure, are district and statewide issues.
From Wikipedia:
“The 5th District covers much of the Sacramento River Delta, including parts of urban Sacramento, the San Francisco North Bay, and the Central Valley.
Yolo County is entirely in the district, along with the delta area of Sacramento (including the city of Isleton) and most of Solano County. The Solano County cities of Dixon, Fairfield, Suisun City, and Vacaville are in the 5th district.
The Central Valley area includes most of San Joaquin County. The cities of Stockton, Tracy, Lathrop, and Manteca are in the San Joaquin portion of the district.”
So Lois would be the senator with primary representation of the entire delta. As such, other legislators would defer to her on issues regarding development and environmental protection there. Ongoing issues include plans for building houses in flood-prone parts of the delta, who pays for levee maintenance, legislative responses (if any) about smelt protection, water quality standards for salinity encroachment, etc.
These are all issues that can cost taxpayers and district residents LOTS of money, depending on how they are resolved. The general tendency has been NOT to resolve them until there is a crisis. At that point, the major water interests of the valley and Southern California will exert considerable pressure, as they have a huge stake in the continued flow of water through the delta.
All the issues are complicated and intertwined. Consensus-driven processes like CalFed have been more successful than polarized court battles. So having a consensus-oriented representative like Lois would be much better than having an ideologue. From what I’ve read of his career, Aghazarian is an ideologue, would favor growth and development, and would have few concerns about environmental issues.
Here is some information about the delta:
http://aquafornia.com/archives/588
Drinking and irrigation water for much of the state, fisheries, Bay water quality, transportation corridors, and recreation are all delta issues. The huge costs of maintenance of the levees, and preventing the potentially disastrous effects of major levee failure, are district and statewide issues.
From Wikipedia:
“The 5th District covers much of the Sacramento River Delta, including parts of urban Sacramento, the San Francisco North Bay, and the Central Valley.
Yolo County is entirely in the district, along with the delta area of Sacramento (including the city of Isleton) and most of Solano County. The Solano County cities of Dixon, Fairfield, Suisun City, and Vacaville are in the 5th district.
The Central Valley area includes most of San Joaquin County. The cities of Stockton, Tracy, Lathrop, and Manteca are in the San Joaquin portion of the district.”
So Lois would be the senator with primary representation of the entire delta. As such, other legislators would defer to her on issues regarding development and environmental protection there. Ongoing issues include plans for building houses in flood-prone parts of the delta, who pays for levee maintenance, legislative responses (if any) about smelt protection, water quality standards for salinity encroachment, etc.
These are all issues that can cost taxpayers and district residents LOTS of money, depending on how they are resolved. The general tendency has been NOT to resolve them until there is a crisis. At that point, the major water interests of the valley and Southern California will exert considerable pressure, as they have a huge stake in the continued flow of water through the delta.
All the issues are complicated and intertwined. Consensus-driven processes like CalFed have been more successful than polarized court battles. So having a consensus-oriented representative like Lois would be much better than having an ideologue. From what I’ve read of his career, Aghazarian is an ideologue, would favor growth and development, and would have few concerns about environmental issues.
Here is some information about the delta:
http://aquafornia.com/archives/588
Drinking and irrigation water for much of the state, fisheries, Bay water quality, transportation corridors, and recreation are all delta issues. The huge costs of maintenance of the levees, and preventing the potentially disastrous effects of major levee failure, are district and statewide issues.
From Wikipedia:
“The 5th District covers much of the Sacramento River Delta, including parts of urban Sacramento, the San Francisco North Bay, and the Central Valley.
Yolo County is entirely in the district, along with the delta area of Sacramento (including the city of Isleton) and most of Solano County. The Solano County cities of Dixon, Fairfield, Suisun City, and Vacaville are in the 5th district.
The Central Valley area includes most of San Joaquin County. The cities of Stockton, Tracy, Lathrop, and Manteca are in the San Joaquin portion of the district.”
So Lois would be the senator with primary representation of the entire delta. As such, other legislators would defer to her on issues regarding development and environmental protection there. Ongoing issues include plans for building houses in flood-prone parts of the delta, who pays for levee maintenance, legislative responses (if any) about smelt protection, water quality standards for salinity encroachment, etc.
These are all issues that can cost taxpayers and district residents LOTS of money, depending on how they are resolved. The general tendency has been NOT to resolve them until there is a crisis. At that point, the major water interests of the valley and Southern California will exert considerable pressure, as they have a huge stake in the continued flow of water through the delta.
All the issues are complicated and intertwined. Consensus-driven processes like CalFed have been more successful than polarized court battles. So having a consensus-oriented representative like Lois would be much better than having an ideologue. From what I’ve read of his career, Aghazarian is an ideologue, would favor growth and development, and would have few concerns about environmental issues.
Here is some information about the delta:
http://aquafornia.com/archives/588
Drinking and irrigation water for much of the state, fisheries, Bay water quality, transportation corridors, and recreation are all delta issues. The huge costs of maintenance of the levees, and preventing the potentially disastrous effects of major levee failure, are district and statewide issues.
From Wikipedia:
“The 5th District covers much of the Sacramento River Delta, including parts of urban Sacramento, the San Francisco North Bay, and the Central Valley.
Yolo County is entirely in the district, along with the delta area of Sacramento (including the city of Isleton) and most of Solano County. The Solano County cities of Dixon, Fairfield, Suisun City, and Vacaville are in the 5th district.
The Central Valley area includes most of San Joaquin County. The cities of Stockton, Tracy, Lathrop, and Manteca are in the San Joaquin portion of the district.”
So Lois would be the senator with primary representation of the entire delta. As such, other legislators would defer to her on issues regarding development and environmental protection there. Ongoing issues include plans for building houses in flood-prone parts of the delta, who pays for levee maintenance, legislative responses (if any) about smelt protection, water quality standards for salinity encroachment, etc.
These are all issues that can cost taxpayers and district residents LOTS of money, depending on how they are resolved. The general tendency has been NOT to resolve them until there is a crisis. At that point, the major water interests of the valley and Southern California will exert considerable pressure, as they have a huge stake in the continued flow of water through the delta.
All the issues are complicated and intertwined. Consensus-driven processes like CalFed have been more successful than polarized court battles. So having a consensus-oriented representative like Lois would be much better than having an ideologue. From what I’ve read of his career, Aghazarian is an ideologue, would favor growth and development, and would have few concerns about environmental issues.
“These are all issues that can cost taxpayers and district residents LOTS of money, depending on how they are resolved. The general tendency has been NOT to resolve them until there is a crisis. At that point, the major water interests of the valley and Southern California will exert considerable pressure, as they have a huge stake in the continued flow of water through the delta.
All the issues are complicated and intertwined. Consensus-driven processes like CalFed have been more successful than polarized court battles. So having a consensus-oriented representative like Lois would be much better than having an ideologue. From what I’ve read of his career, Aghazarian is an ideologue, would favor growth and development, and would have few concerns about environmental issues.”
Thank you Don, for the insight. I can now understand why the delta itself is important enough for Lois Wolk’s concern. Certainly levee protection makes sense, and I pretty much assumed that was the case. Since the delta covers such a large swathe, water rights becomes a huge issue as well.
I think my skepticism comes in when we start talking about smelt protection and the like. I am all for conservation – up to a point. But too often environmentalists latch on to some pretty strange causes, that become out of proportion to real issues. For instance, of what importance is protecting smelt, if its only usefulness is it’s an indigeneuos fish to the area that would be nice to preserve? I have much more concern about the collapse of the salmon population, which feeds many people, contributes to good health, and provides a livelihood to many fisherman. One should have to prioritize efforts in a reasonable manner, not necessarily cater to the noisiest special interest group.
“These are all issues that can cost taxpayers and district residents LOTS of money, depending on how they are resolved. The general tendency has been NOT to resolve them until there is a crisis. At that point, the major water interests of the valley and Southern California will exert considerable pressure, as they have a huge stake in the continued flow of water through the delta.
All the issues are complicated and intertwined. Consensus-driven processes like CalFed have been more successful than polarized court battles. So having a consensus-oriented representative like Lois would be much better than having an ideologue. From what I’ve read of his career, Aghazarian is an ideologue, would favor growth and development, and would have few concerns about environmental issues.”
Thank you Don, for the insight. I can now understand why the delta itself is important enough for Lois Wolk’s concern. Certainly levee protection makes sense, and I pretty much assumed that was the case. Since the delta covers such a large swathe, water rights becomes a huge issue as well.
I think my skepticism comes in when we start talking about smelt protection and the like. I am all for conservation – up to a point. But too often environmentalists latch on to some pretty strange causes, that become out of proportion to real issues. For instance, of what importance is protecting smelt, if its only usefulness is it’s an indigeneuos fish to the area that would be nice to preserve? I have much more concern about the collapse of the salmon population, which feeds many people, contributes to good health, and provides a livelihood to many fisherman. One should have to prioritize efforts in a reasonable manner, not necessarily cater to the noisiest special interest group.
“These are all issues that can cost taxpayers and district residents LOTS of money, depending on how they are resolved. The general tendency has been NOT to resolve them until there is a crisis. At that point, the major water interests of the valley and Southern California will exert considerable pressure, as they have a huge stake in the continued flow of water through the delta.
All the issues are complicated and intertwined. Consensus-driven processes like CalFed have been more successful than polarized court battles. So having a consensus-oriented representative like Lois would be much better than having an ideologue. From what I’ve read of his career, Aghazarian is an ideologue, would favor growth and development, and would have few concerns about environmental issues.”
Thank you Don, for the insight. I can now understand why the delta itself is important enough for Lois Wolk’s concern. Certainly levee protection makes sense, and I pretty much assumed that was the case. Since the delta covers such a large swathe, water rights becomes a huge issue as well.
I think my skepticism comes in when we start talking about smelt protection and the like. I am all for conservation – up to a point. But too often environmentalists latch on to some pretty strange causes, that become out of proportion to real issues. For instance, of what importance is protecting smelt, if its only usefulness is it’s an indigeneuos fish to the area that would be nice to preserve? I have much more concern about the collapse of the salmon population, which feeds many people, contributes to good health, and provides a livelihood to many fisherman. One should have to prioritize efforts in a reasonable manner, not necessarily cater to the noisiest special interest group.
“These are all issues that can cost taxpayers and district residents LOTS of money, depending on how they are resolved. The general tendency has been NOT to resolve them until there is a crisis. At that point, the major water interests of the valley and Southern California will exert considerable pressure, as they have a huge stake in the continued flow of water through the delta.
All the issues are complicated and intertwined. Consensus-driven processes like CalFed have been more successful than polarized court battles. So having a consensus-oriented representative like Lois would be much better than having an ideologue. From what I’ve read of his career, Aghazarian is an ideologue, would favor growth and development, and would have few concerns about environmental issues.”
Thank you Don, for the insight. I can now understand why the delta itself is important enough for Lois Wolk’s concern. Certainly levee protection makes sense, and I pretty much assumed that was the case. Since the delta covers such a large swathe, water rights becomes a huge issue as well.
I think my skepticism comes in when we start talking about smelt protection and the like. I am all for conservation – up to a point. But too often environmentalists latch on to some pretty strange causes, that become out of proportion to real issues. For instance, of what importance is protecting smelt, if its only usefulness is it’s an indigeneuos fish to the area that would be nice to preserve? I have much more concern about the collapse of the salmon population, which feeds many people, contributes to good health, and provides a livelihood to many fisherman. One should have to prioritize efforts in a reasonable manner, not necessarily cater to the noisiest special interest group.